Terrence Chan

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PCA side action and playing with The Mouth
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When I busted from the tournament, Jacqueline was still in bed sleeping and apparently had no designs on waking up, so I headed down to hang out with people and find stuff to do. I walked around for the poker room and Greg Pappas, who was in charge of the board, informed me that a 50-100 NL game was starting up. I heard through many sources that the big game has been rocking for the whole week, so I withdrew $10k from my Stars account and joined the game. It was pretty quiet for the first couple of hours, but I did manage to double up in large part to a big pot where I called a raise preflop with 55, check-raised the preflop raiser on a 9-5-4 board, bet the 6 turn and bet the J river all-in. (He told me just now that he had 96.) The game did start getting good at various points but was never really phenomenally rocking like the Aruba games I played in. I ended up finishing just up 3k though, as I got myself stuck calling off $7400 on a flopped flush draw and missing.[1]

One of the interesting things about my day for those of you who like to hear about famous personalities is that I played a significant amount of time with Mike Matusow. Now, a lot of people are portrayed in the media in a certain light that does not accurately reflect who they are. Mike Matusow is not one of those people.


Mike Matusow is such an interesting armchair psychological study. And I know that there are actual psychologists who read here so I won't pretend like I know anything about the field. But here is a guy who has been a professional poker playr for a really long time. Much longer than I have, or even most people I know. And yet outside of his ability to play the game, he seems to understand almost nothing about the mentality it takes to be a successful professional poker player.

So that I am not simply accused of just slandering the guy, here are some actual, reproduced verbatim to the best of my ability, things that came out of the mouth of The Mouth, provided with context.

Matusow has just come to the table. After a couple of unveventful orbits he gets into a hand with Alex Brenes. I think either Matusow raised 300 and Alex called from the BB or Alex raised in early position and Matusow called late. Anyway Matusow has position and the flop is KhJsTh. Alex bets out perhaps 500 and Matusow raises to about 1500. Alex re-raises to 4k. Matusow thinks for a short while and sets Alex in for another 4k. Alex immediately calls. Matusow says, "you have ace-queen?" Alex nods and shows it. Matusow says, "I need the board to pair," implying of course that he has a set.

The turn is a Jh. Matusow turns over KJ (just top two, not a set, but full anyway). Alex though, has the Qh and just as I think, "two outs", the 9h falls on the river! Immediately Matusow must jump over to the other table to tell the world that he's had a full house beaten by a straight flush.

Okay, fair enough. That's a pretty spectacular hand. But, of course, Matusow will complain for the next hour about getting 2-outed. Never mind that he was over a 5:1 dog when the money actually went in. Nope, he got "2-outed". Actually, what's funny is that when he re-tells the story, the pot is about $10000 bigger and he actually got one-outed.

This is, to Matusow, another example of how bad he's running. The guy next to him in the #3 seat (I'm in the #2) is playing in the game but quite clearly a fanboy player. He plays the role of sympathetic sidekick and general suck-up, saying stuff like "and you've been running like this for two years? Wow." Matusow responds in the affirmative. He starts going into a long speech about how a lot of people "never run bad" and how some people are "just born luckier than others." "Like Phil Ivey. This guy never runs bad." This segues into a longer diatribe about "these young online players," who "have millions of dollars but because they have never run bad for like, six months at a time, like I have." He talks about the young pros and how they will inevitably go on a horrible run like the run he's on now in side games and how this will destroy them. He attempts to act as, the seasoned voice of experience by relating his early days where he "couldn't lose a pot for like, two years, and I thought I was the greatest poker player in like, life. Other people would tell me stories about how they were running bad and I'd just nod and say, 'yeah geez, that sucks' and then when they were gone I'd snicker about how bad they must be." The basic jist of this discussion (if that's what you can call one person talking and another person nodding a lot) is how the young pros are due for a fall, of course, with bad run whining thrown in for good measure.

What I really don't understand about this is that Matusow actually plays online poker. And since he plays online poker, he knows that these online pros are getting in 200-400 hands an hour, many of them playing 2000+ hands virtually day in and day out. They have experienced more horrid (and blessed) runs in a year than a b&m pro will face in 15 years. But Matusow thrives on being the tortured soul. It is as if to say, "no one can possibly experienced the things I've experienced." My response is, "yes, they have. And worse. And they all handle it better than you do."

Matusow on hand-reading. Shortly after the full house/quads hand, a player makes a standard opening raise and Matusow calls out of the SB. The flop is three small ragged cards. Mike checks, guy bets maybe $800. Matusow thinks for a while and folds, muttering to the #3 seat that (for whatever reason) this guy must have a monster. The bettor, over in seat #10, looks surprised and says, "I have a monster?" and turns over KhJh, two overs and nothing else. Matusow now starts complaining to the #3 seat that this guy must be a complete idiot, "making a move on a guy who just lost a $26000 pot on a 2-outer." Since when does a guy making a standard-sized continuation bet on a ragged board after being the preflop raiser constitute "making a move?"

Matusow on ego in poker: "I have less ego than basically all of the top players in poker." He actually said that. I couldn't possibly make that up.

The #10 seat guy is laughing about it lightheartedly with the #8 and #9 seats, which propels Matusow to talk about "guys who watch TV and think they're so fuckin' smart." This segues into:

Matusow on online versus live poker: "Online poker isn't real poker. It's like a video game. I mean, I know people who are good at online poker, but it doesn't mean they're good at poker. Like these online guys who have million-dollar bankrolls and beat me playing online, they start taunting me and stuff, saying, 'Mike, you're so overrated'. I'm just like, 'come to Bellagio and we'll play whatever you want for any amount of money.' Because, you know, I'll play them and I'll spot every tell." Earth to Matusow: Look around the table. There are oh, probably seven guys actually playing against you at this precise table who make their living playing online poker. They're not exactly trembling with fear.

Matusow on (again) how bad he's running: "We did this thing last night, where we all put up $2000 and played a hand blind to the river. On the turn I've got two pair. This one other guy has a flush draw and another guy has a gutterball 3 for a straight. That's it. [pause for effect.] I lose." (A normal person might translate this as: "I got my money in a zero ev situation as a 9:1 dog to win $20000. Some cards got dealt and I suddenly became a 3:1 favourite. But I lost instead.")

Matusow later gets in another hand with Alex. Alex raises to $400 preflop, Mike calls, maybe one other call. Flop TT8. Alex bets $800, Mike calls, heads-up to the turn. Turn T. Alex checks, Mike checks. River J. Alex bets $2500. Mike thinks for a long time and calls. Alex shows QQ. Mike disgustedly shows KJ and comments to the #3 seat, "look at this. Only two outs that can cost me another quarter ($2500) and it comes." He continues along this stream for a while, "jesus. Two-outer for $2500. That's how bad I'm running. Two-outer for $2500." No one ever points out that in fact, there are four jacks in a deck, and four minus one is actually three, not two. That aside, on what planet do you count "outs" that don't actually get you there but cost you more money? If you draw dead, get there and pay off, do you really have licence to complain about running bad? I mean, call me old-fashioned, but don't you have to actually be winning at some point in the hand to tell a bad beat story? In fairness, he did beat himself up over the call. He said, "But I knew I was beat. What a terrible call I made there." Honestly I think it was a correct call. But whatever. Leave it to a guy like this to focus on totally the wrong thing, which is the decision to call a bet with overcards on a paired board.

There's more, but I've rambled long enough. But I mean, I just don't get this guy. One of the topics that pro gamblers have in common and can discuss is how one, through time and experience, learns to dull the numbness of variance. Matusow, despite being a pro for longer than I and most of my friends has been playing poker, lets variance affect him to a degree that completely controls not just his emotions, but his entire philosophy of life. His very existence as a poker pro seems to fly in the face of what you think of when you think of the attributes of a successful poker player: calm, collected, numb(er than most) to variance, able to handle adversity, able to continue playing an A-game in the face of bad beats, rationally and objectively analyzing hands in the post-mortem, keeping your ego in check... the guy is like the living embodiment of the antithesis of all the feel-good fluff articles you read about playing winning poker.


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[1] Preflop raise to $400 by twin_caracas, I call with AdQd and three others call. Flop T-3-3 with two diamonds. Checked to twin who bets $1400, I raise to $3400, one of the Venezuelan players from the Aruba trip goes all-in for $7400, twin calls, I think for a long time and call. Turn J, twin bets $6000, I fold, he shows TT and both me and the other guy who held Kd7d were drawing dead. River is a diamond for show.

"I'm not conceited, although I have every right to be."

- Mike Matusow

Mike is quite a character, and he can be a total idiot. But in his defense, I've seen him play really good poker for long periods of time. Of course, never no-limit holdem. Its just not his game, hence his history of building up big stacks in big NLH tournaments, then blowing them on obviously bad plays.

But he plays a good (very tight) game of limit 2-7, and an excellent (very tight) game of PLO8, and a reasonable game of PLO. I heard he's a good limit O/8 player, but I'm not, so I can't tell.

But he does have rather roller-coastery emotions, and his stream of consciousness is not exactly a window onto a brilliant or tranquil mind.

I wonder if he's off his antidepressants now, post-incarceration? They stabilized him a bit

I couldn't find the link (I only looked briefly), but I remember Mike saying something to the effect that if you are 50/50 to win a hand on the flop, he'd only want the made hand and something about draws are stupid.

That shows the disconnect from the reality of poker there in a nutshell.

My only experience is meeting him briefly in Aruba the first year I went (when he finished 3rd). This was just after the Fossilman WSOP where he was public enemy #2 (behind Arieh). I think half the people in the tourney were hoping to get at his table to give him a zinger or two. Most people, instead, walked away saying "he's not such a bad guy..".

You can say what you want about him, but he puts his heart and soul into the game, and seems to still have some weird sense of humor about it. He could probably read your post, say "yep, thats all absolutely true", then go off to the poker room and do it again.

I have a soft spot for people who don't take themselves seriously, but are truly passionate about what they do, and I believe Mike is such a guy.

I've played enough with Mike online to know that when he's in the game, that's the game to be in. He plays very predictably, and tilts. I've always interpreted those who mount a strong defense of Matusow's behavior as being motivated by one of two things:

1) Protecting the fish, so that he'll like you and come back to your game.
2) Strength in numbers, identifying with another mediocre pro's poor behaviour.

The only experience I have with him is watching TV coverage during the WSOP. It seems to me that he puts himself in the unbelievably tough situations where he must make the greatest read possible, makes the read correctly (which is impressive) then blows a gasket when he does not win when he is 2 to 1 after the flop. The questions is why make the risky call at all?

My two examples are the famous Raymer hand of 2004 when he called Raymer's all in semi bluff with 97. So he puts Raymer on the hand, calls where even if his great read is correct he is not that far ahead. Raymer spikes a diamond on the turn and Matasow is done. ( I realize what I may be missing is Matasow trying to stop Raymer from steamrolling all over him.)

The other is calling the Dannerman call this year when he has TT, undercards flop, Dannerman is all in with AJ (has Matasow covered) and Matasow calls. I think the play is fine but he has to know in a best case scenario, he is a moderate favorite but venerable. Worst case ( and likely in my opinion) he is a huge dog.

I do, however, find myself liking him more and more as I see more bites away from the table.

I was watching during the twin_caracas hand. I thought you had raised preflop (not twin) and you had folded an overpair to the turn bet. Regardless, that is quite disciplined to call the flop bet, but fold to the turn.

Did you pick up a read on twin on the turn other than the obvious fact that he was betting into a dry side pot?

I don't know about a "read" but I did figure there was a very good chance that I was drawing dead. With both a T and a J on the turn, chances are good that if he didn't flop a full house, he turned one. And if he only has an overpair he should at least be concerned about me having TT/JJ. I had a long think about how live I was drawing, but decided the risk wasn't worth it, so I decided to give it up despite tempting pot odds.

Best quote from Matusow from his interview with ESPN for the TOC. "My parents had to take my computer away."

There are quite a few professional poker players who need to grow up.

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