Terrence Chan

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The idiots are not the city.

The idiots are currently the public face of the city, but the rioters are only a tiny percentage of the population-- few bad apples really don't represent the entire orchard. Don't be saddened by the whole city, because most of the city feels the same way you do.

I think that was very well written, thank you.
Pro sports (and some amateur situations, i do live in the land of the the Ohio State Buckeyes, semipros that they are) generates huge interest and emotion in people, and millions of them live together in close proximity. It is no great surprise that some (very small) percentage of that group would be wild and weird and destructive in this way. Too much emotion generated, too big a group statistically to NOT happen.
I wouldnt sweat it, I lived in Philadelphia for a long time, and the part of the set in that city that was violent had to be larger, and more often violent prone, than that in Vancouver. You live in a great city.
But every city has too many people, and too much emotion potential, for this type of thing to never occur.
Just a thought. and good luck this year in Vegas.

Maybe the success of the 2010 Olympics went to their heads because to me, they seemed totally unprepared.

Having been in downtown Denver after the Broncos won their first Super Bowl in '98 and the Avs Stanley Cup in 2001, my reaction then was that the cops over reacted, showing up in riot gear and tear gassing to get people off the streets. But, maybe not. Maybe shutting it down before it really gets going was the right thing to do. (And even so, I think there were a couple of cars that got burned after the Super Bowl. After the Stanley Cup, there really wasn't much negative going on except for a few people started some bonfires with the "extra" edition of the paper they handed out as you left the Pepsi Center.)

People are idiots.

Edited at 2011-06-16 05:35 pm (UTC)

boston shut it down last night before it got started. i didn't follow too closely but apparently the bruins and the garden were going to let people party there but the mayor said no, and also warned bars to stop serving in third period, and various other sanctions (just what i heard on the radio yesterday on the way home).

it is a shame that there is a large segment of population that expects this 'right' to riot after a sport championship in the their town, iwn or lose.


“Some people get exuberant have a few and act up, and you know, this is a sport, and a lot of families who like to watch sports bring kids, and I wouldn’t want to send the wrong message to anyone,” said Mayor Menino.

As someone who lives just a few hours south, and considered coming up for game 7, just to be in the area, as there was no way I could afford a ticket, I am certainly glad I didn't. As brutal as it was just listening to the game on the radio (while I was stuck at work), I can only imagine how bad it must have been to be up there in person watching. However, those feelings can't even compare to how bad I would feel watching a town get torn apart. The mob mentality is strong, and always so sad. Great post.

Riots in Canada

Let me preface this post by saying there are idiots in all cities, mine included (L.A.).

What makes this situation interesting is the fact that most don't expect this in Vancouver, or Canada in general. Detroit, Chicago, L.A. Ok, but Canada?

However, my experience in Canada is a tale of two types of people. I first visited Canada as an adult in 98, taking son to they hockey hall of fame for his 10th birthday. It was such a great trip, the people were so nice. Over the next 3 years I took my son to hockey camps in Victoria and Edmonton. My warm feelings continued, people were great and I had nothing but respect for all Canada's people.

As my son entered midget hockey everything changed (01/02). He had teams that would travel to Canada for tournaments and were met with hostility and ill will. This was seen from Toronto to surrey. As he made his way into juniors (us juniors not major juniors) the situation only got worse. Both parents and kids were overtly hostile. At the world juniors in Vancouver the crowd was so hostile his teammates were fighting 40 year olds after the USA vs Canada game.

What I have come to realize is there are two factions in Canada. The Canadians I like and enjoy being around (these are the Canadians I have met in poker rooms) and the jocks of Canada. This ia a group that is similar to some raider fans in L.A. Unfortunetly, both groups love hockey.

So, this display of idiocy isn't really a surprise to me. I don't see this as a black mark on Vancouver. This is a group of idiots (not a small one) that makes all Canadians look bad on this stage and much smaller ones as well.


I think there wouldn't have been a riot if Vancouver had won, actually. Studies of football suggest that there's a big increase in violence if the hometeam suffers an upset loss, but not if they win or suffer an expected loss.

Here's a freakonomics blog post that makes that same point.

Not that this excuses anything. I'm surprised and disappointed, too. I expect that sort of thing in Boston. In Vancouver... not so much.

Of all the cities to lose the Stanley Cup, only one has rioted. That city is Vancouver.

No, I think Terrence had it right, those idiots were there to cause mayhem no matter what the outcome was.


Just shows that a small minority of people in Vancouver are exactly the same as people all over the world. All those idiots are the same and Vancouver is not exempt from morons.



sad to see

the 1 dude said I do not think there would be a riot if they won? does that justify it? geeze gimme a break

Terence, there are idiots everywhere. I believe we have taken natural selection on of the process. We keep trying to save people from themselves. We make it illegal to ride your snowmobile out on melting lake ice; don’t go on the train tracks when the gate is down. How can we expect natural selection to work if we keep the idiots from ending their live prematurely? Did you see the video of the idiot who jumped up onto a burning car and fell into the fire? Surely there is no way he should have lived to adulthood without intervention. The morons are reproducing faster that the reasonable people. It’s going to get worse. The dumbasses are going to be the majority soon.
Your city government let you down. It was going to happen, win or lose. The police should have been deployed in riot gear on every street corner and come down fast and hard on anyone who couldn’t control themselves.

My parents happened to be on their second honeymoon in Vancouver during the '94 series. They caught word about game 7 (despite not being hockey fans) and got out of town the evening beforehand. Turned out to be a good thing -- the way my dad tells it, the riot started right outside their hotel.

I recall hearing in '94 that Vancouver was the first city to riot because they lost the Stanley Cup. I think that they're still the only city to do it once, let alone twice.

For what it's worth, most of the human population can be boiled down to a few, classless traits. It doesn't matter where in the world you are -- assuming anything but the worst from a group of over 100 people is likely to be a mistake.

Still, it's that same improbability that makes it powerful when people do the right thing.

If Terrence doesn't win the WSOP Main Event I think we should all start a LiveJournal riot.

No riot if Johnny Chan doesn't win.


Yes, very much encapsulates my feelings on the matter.

Worst part is that the city and team aren't taking responsibility. They are claiming "these are not Canucks fans they are anarchists and hooligans pretending to be Canucks fans."

Yes, but...

As an outsider I was def shocked by the events that occurred...hopefully people/press focus on the positive actions after the riot that I think show the true character of the city....

"By mid-morning, scores of citizen volunteers were helping city crews clean up the downtown mess, and a painted sign on a board covering a smashed window at a Hudson's Bay department store, read: "On behalf of my team and my city I'm sorry...."

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